To Address or Not to Address

If you have followed this blog for any amount of time, you will note that there are a good number of Biblical topics discussed. A significant number of these topics focus on a particular doctrine of Christianity, such as faith, grace, forgiveness, the divinity of Christ, God’s Word, etc. In addition, there are numerous posts on some recommendations for general practises that I personally have found to be beneficial, such as the importance of Biblical context, when reading the Scriptures, prayer and the necessity of spending the necessary time to understand the whole counsel of God within God’s Word on a given Biblical subject. There are also a good number of posts that deal with the physical representation of spiritual truths that we find in the Bible such as the Tabernacle or the Priesthood in the Old Testament, as examples. Plus I have been know to identify some false teachings and doctrines that historically, from the perspective of what used to be identified as “Protestant Evangelical”, are deemed as deviating from the general orthodox understanding of God’s Word. The New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) movement would be a good example. And, lastly, if there are different schools of thought on a particular subject, I do try to provide an overview on those different schools of thought, without indicating that acceptance of one school of thought is mandatory. Old Earth and Young Earth Creationism, eternal salvation and predestination versus free will, are good examples of different schools of thought.

Generally speaking, all standard stuff. But where I have been encountering difficulty, as of late, is when I encounter Biblical related thinking on a given topic, that is clearly not in line with the whole counsel of God’s Word. That includes things like ignoring the necessity for Christians to judge serious sin within the Church, deliverance ministry topics where healings, deliverance from demons, and generational curse teachings are propagated and representations of Jesus are deemed as being “authentic” but in fact, they are not. There are others, but this will suffice for now.

Ultimately one comes to a place where a decision has to be made, as to whether there is sufficient harm being introduced into the body of Christ, so that it should and does need to be addressed, or basically one decides to just let it go. Another aspect that I see being added into this decision equation process, is the thinking that the assumed good being done, justifies overlooking those aspects that are being inaccurately presented or taught, where a clear misrepresentation of God’s written truth, that is not in line with God’s Word, is subsequently, considered as being inconsequential, in the big scheme of things.

IT IS THIS INCONSEQUENTIAL THINKING, THAT BOTHERS ME THE MOST.

Let me give you some recent examples that I have personally have run across:

It is OK to ignore the Biblical requirement for Christians to identify and deal with serious sin, such as adultery, within the Church, because in the big scheme of things, if we just love everyone, God will ultimately take care of the rest. Consequently, serious sin within the Church does not require the members of the body of Christ to actively address and deal with it, and it should be of no concern.

It is OK to teach that Christians who have God’s Holy Spirit within them, can also, at the same time, have a demon physically within them, and as such, when we see or hear of fellow Christians teaching this unorthodox Christian belief and casting out demons from fellow Christians, it should be of no concern.

It is OK to teach that it is always God’s will to heal us physically and as such, when believers are not healed, the onus is on the believers, who lacked sufficient faith. The fact that fellow believers are being taught to deal with this, should be of no concern.

It is OK to teach that generational curses, as found in the Old Testament, under the Law, which were spoken to the nation of Israel by God, are still in effect for Christians of today, even though we are no longer under the Law and God’s Word firmly tells us that we stand freely liberated from the Law, in the New Covenant that God established through His Son, who became a curse for us, by His dying on the cross for our sins. Consequently when we see fellow Christians teaching and practicing deliverance from these generational curses on other Christians, it should be of no concern.

It is OK to totally disregard and not even mention, any area of possible concern, regarding advisory consultations that are entertained and accommodated, with content that is not authentic, yet spoken of and portrayed as being the “authentic” Jesus, because the assumed good that is being done, towards the spread of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, justifies those inconsistencies. And the mere fact that anyone would have even commented on possible areas of concern, indicates that their closed mindedness is counterproductive to the spread of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and it should be of no concern.

Please correct me if you think I am wrong, but in my mind, the over riding train of thought that is being consistently pushed forward is that these false teachings, unorthodox doctrines and Biblical inconsistencies DO NOT MATTER in the big scheme of things, even to the extent that if one does register any opposition or concern, the mere fact that one raises an objection or voices concern, is used as proof, that their goal in life has shifted to tearing down rather than building up.

I could quote some Scripture verses here about turning things upside down, but I’m not going to. 

I will tell you this. I don’t claim to be the end all about understanding all that God’s Word teaches us, because I certainly am not, but Biblical discernment and understanding of the whole counsel of God’s Word is sadly lacking in far too many cases by professing Christians who “feel” they are being led by God’s Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit never does anything that disagrees with God’s Holy Word. And the focus of God’s Holy Spirit is always to bring glory to Jesus, because Jesus as the Son of God, actually came here in the flesh, and that reality is the pivot point from which everything else flows. And that same acknowledgement is the test (1 John 4:1-3) by which all spirits are verified, from whence they come. Jesus said, “Without me you can do nothing”, and He was not kidding.

So if you disagree with me, so be it. I know why I do, what I do. And no, I am not about to stop. Because correction is necessary, for all of us, myself included. And correction is given because of love. God does correct us (Hebrews 12:6-7),  and He does require that we correct others within the body of Christ (James 5:19-20) .

2 Timothy 3:16-17 NASB 
“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.” (Emphasis is mine).

Something to think about.

Worthy is the Lamb! Blessings!

44 comments

  1. Interesting. I agree with everything you wrote here, with the exception of just one item: that generational curses are no longer a thing. I am basing my difference of opinion on personal experience.

    My paternal grandfather practiced witchcraft. He made me his sole heir, both of his worldly goods and, as I later realized, his evil powers. I was 13 years old when my grandfather died, sitting in class at school, having no idea that my 59 year old grandfather was dying — and suddenly I KNEW that my grandfather was dead! And that was just the beginning of my horrors!

    Today, more than half a century later, I am free of this generational curse. Not due to any deliverance ministry per se, but because I renounced my grandfather’s witchcraft and I prayed and asked the Lord Jesus Christ to take it away from me, and He did! Praise God! But before I reached the point of even knowing how to do that, I experienced some horrific, crazy making, mind blowing supernatural stuff. So… generational curses, even after Christ’s death and resurrection? In my experience, it is still very real, just like cancer and all manner of other physical diseases are real, despite what the Lord did for us at Calvary.

    I believe that as long as we are still living in a fallen world, the long reaching effect of sin is still all around us. Including generational curses, until they are broken by the power of Jesus.

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    • Hi Linda, if you have not accepted Jesus as your Lord and Saviour, you definitely can be influenced and be under the power of generational curses BUT upon accepting Jesus those strongholds are broken because Jesus breaks them. So I am not saying that they cannot be in effect, I am saying that AFTER one accepts Jesus as our Lord and Saviour those curses are broken. The difference being, today, there are some who teach that Christians ARE STILL HELD under the power of those curses and that is not a Biblical truth because Jesus broke any curses on us, when He became a curse for us on the cross. Note that no where in the NT do we see any need for this truth to be acknowledged, to be in effect, including all of the 3000 who were saved in one day in Jerusalem. When we truly are born again, His righteousness becomes our righteousness. Hope that helps. Blessings!

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      • In my experience, just a person who has accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior can still get sick with cancer, a true Christian can also be affected by demonic generational curses. This is my experience and therefore it is my belief. However… I have been proven mistaken about too many things in my life already, for me to believe that my beliefs are inerrant — including the beliefs that stem from my personal experiences. So, although my belief on this is different from yours, I acknowledge that I could be mistaken.

        I don’t like to argue, in any case, so let us agree to disagree on this matter. You may have the last word now, as this is your blog. 😀

        God bless you, my brother.

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      • Well Linda, I too have been proven wrong more than once in the past, so no argument here. I’m not saying that they cannot be affected, especially where you are dealing with witchcraft, but I would think you can claim your deliverance from its affects by doing what you did. No fellow Christian had to deliver you from this, you denounced it and received your freedom through Jesus, which, I think, in reality was already there. Having never experienced this, I can only go on what I see in the Scriptures. Agree to disagree is fine with me. Blessings to you and yours also.

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      • Bruce, I just want you to know that if you don’t feel comfortable about leaving my comments here on this post, it will not hurt my feelings one bit if you delete them. I have not written about any of these things on my blog, because I don’t want to attract the kind of readers that are in any way into the practice of witchcraft. I am so thankful to be delivered from the forces of darkness! I never want to open the door to that again, in any way.

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      • Thank you for saying that Linda but I have no problem with anything that you said. One of the things that I really enjoy about exchanging different opinions among friends here, is that there is an added level of trust and consideration and I really appreciate that. I’ve had two or three exposures to the “other side” over the years but nothing like you evidently have had, so it is an opportunity to learn from a trusted source and that is special. We’re all learning, continually, so you go ahead and share whatever you feel you can share, and want to share, on any of my posts. Same goes with Annie, David and a number of other “regulars”. Just do be mindful that the audience is mixed, so take that into consideration. Hope this helps clear the air.

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    • Wow Linda, thanks for sharing. I agree with the comment from Bruce, “Jesus broke any curses on us, when He became a curse for us on the cross.” This I do know, the consequences of sin are not necessarily removed with forgives. The Curse of sin, yes but In my flesh, decay and disease, I find to be consequences of generations of sin. It is a fallen world but thanks be to Christ for deliverance or the lingering Thorn as He may Will for are greater good.

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    • Satan is a master bluffer, and although he can’t possess Christians, he can still mess with their minds. (Please don’t ask me how I know this … ) I’ve seen a lot of believers, including myself, get taken advantage of by the enemy, especially when we don’t know or remember or exercise our authority over him. (Luke 10:19) I have no doubt that the generational curse was real, but could it be that after you were saved the devil knew he didn’t have power over you any more but went on pretending he did?

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      • Yes, Ann, that is possible. However, it’s complicated. And the generational curse did not affect only me. My dad… he was a church pastor. He really, REALLY seemed to be sincere about his Christian walk! But then, my dad’s father came to visit when I was 12, his first and last visit ever in our house. I’m talking about my paternal grandfather, the one who practiced witchcraft. My dad started mentally unraveling while his dad was staying in our house. A few days or weeks after his dad left to go back to his home, my dad flipped out and almost murdered my mother. My mother and I both saw a bright red orange light glowing in my father’s eyes. He was speaking in a deep gravelly voice, not his own voice. My dad was arrested that night, that’s how violent he was. Later, my dad claimed to have no memory of what he had done. He was taken from jail to a hospital emergency room because he was so out of control. The ER doctor put my dad in the psychiatric ward. My dad, then in his 30s, was diagnosed with schizophrenia. Later, his psychiatrist changed my dad’s diagnosis to multiple personality disorder. There is more to this story but I have probably said more than enough. Was my dad faking his Christian walk all those years? Only God knows. But growing up with these crazy things was very traumatic. There were a few physical manifestations too, besides my dad’s eyes glowing. For example, once a large potted plant on a table in the living room suddenly flew up in the air and levitated halfway across the room, then crashed to the floor. This happened when my dad was telling me that he believed his house was haunted, this was during a visit I had with him when I was 23 or 24 years old. As he was describing his haunted house experiences, suddenly the potted plant did that. In broad daylight, with just the two of us in the house. My dad just casually said, “See, that’s the kind of thing I’m talking about.” Again, there’s a lot more to the story but I think I will quit now!

        One thing I KNOW, also from personal experience: when we truly give our heart and our life to the Lord Jesus Christ, the gates of hell ABSOLUTELY CANNOT prevail against us!!!!

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  2. I think you’re doing a great service to readers and potential readers by writing posts on these topics. Yes, I think it’s great that you address this!

    However, when it comes to *individually* trying to teach people online? That’s a losing battle. Especially when you consider the sheer amount of deceived people online, 100% unwilling to listen. Not to mention the ones just messing with you to have fun, just trying to get you mad or “trolling.” I’ve literally come across posts where people ask which Christian blogs are fun to troll.

    Personally, I’ve tried to address it individually and I get nowhere or blocked. But when I do a Christian post here and there on my blog, a lot of people comment either intrigued to read the Bible or wanting to know more!

    I think your blog is great and you’re doing a good service 👍

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  3. The Holy Spirit is the Teacher, Comforter, etc. He is passive, never speaks on His own But reminds of all that Jesus said and did. His Word is the Text Book! Christ-followers must Hide the Word in their Heart so Spirit Can lead. Without the Word Spirit is not leading, Test the spirit could be the spirit of the age rather than the Ageless Spirit. Just my Two Cents, Preaching to the Choir, I too am with you.

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  4. I’m a mathematician and a Christian. It has only been over the past 3 years that I’ve started looking critically at churches perhaps due to my growing awareness of fake news, fake science, fake elections, and even fake religion. I am still learning. Here is my assessment of your five examples.

    1) I agree with you about serious sin. It is not just adultery, but homosexuality (LGBT) and tolerance of abortion, that needs to be addressed.
    2) I agree that Christians with the Holy Spirit do not have demons, however, some people call themselves Christian who are not. Those Christians in name only could have demons.
    3) I agree that it is not always God’s will to heal us. We should want God’s will for us not our own.
    4) I agree that if we have the Holy Spirit, we should not have generational curses, however, we may be deluded that we do have the Holy Spirit. Looking at generational curses may be one way to identify whether someone who claims to be a Christian really is.
    5) I agree that we should point out errors that we see. For example, I think the YouTube channel, A Voice in the Desert, does not represent scripture correctly. However, we need to be open to the possibility that we are wrong when pointing out the errors of others.

    Here are my views regarding the two issues that you mentioned as not consequential.

    1) I don’t see how we can have inerrant scripture without young earth creationism. Indeed I see no scientific reason not to accept it. If the entire fossil record could be eroded away in10-30 million years, it can’t be older than that. See Answers in Genesis or Creationism Ministry International for more information.
    2) I think I am some sort of Open Theist, as I’m beginning to understand the issue. We are predestined, but not predetermined. What is at stake is not so much our free will but God’s free will and His righteousness.

    You are welcome to set me straight either here or on my own blog.

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    • Hi Frank, I’m not about to set you straight. I have no disagreement with your first 1 thru 5. I know you and I disagree on OEC and YEC perspectives. I lean in one direction but have not closed the door that I could be wrong. I have never been a fan of Calvinism but once again, I see both election and free will in the Bible so not carved in stone on that one either. And yes Frank, I am still learning too. Blessings brother.

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  5. Excellent post! Christians believe so many false teachings because they study books ABOUT the Bible, instead of reading the actual Bible. And, they listen to charismatic TV preachers who are more interested in their own popularity than teaching sound doctrine. I know this because I did it myself at one time. I can tell you, it takes many years to recover from false teaching. (I could write a book about it.) That’s why I am passionate about reading the Bible for ourselves.
    It is critically important that the truth about false teaching is available. There ARE people searching for answers! God bless you, Bruce, as you stand up for Truth.

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    • Thank you for leaving this comment, Cindy. “it takes many years to recover from false teaching” — yes, it does! In my twenties I went to a large charismatic church, with strong ties to Bill Gothard’s teachings. In my thirties, I went to another very large ‘name it and claim it’ church, and during that time I worked for Pat Robertson’s 700 Club, fulltime. The things that I experienced there… I could write a book about that, too! I left the 700 Club and the prosperity name it claim it church, thinking that I no longer believed in God. For the next twelve years, I called myself agnostic, almost atheist. It was a terrible, lonely, miserable wilderness that I was in.

      Just before I turned fifty, I met a group of genuinely loving, gentle Christians. Then I made a decision: to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ of the Bible, as my Savior and my Lord. Instead of looking for seemingly magical answers to my prayers, I began to seek His will. Not my will and not the will of big name preacher’s. When I reached the point where I could say, like Job: “Though He slay me, yet I will trust Him” — then I knew that my heart belongs to HIM. The name it and claim it preachers teach that praying ‘Thy will be done’ is a lack of faith — but Jesus taught His disciples to pray that way, did He not? To me, the greatest faith is trusting that His will is best. I may ‘think’ I know what is best in a given situation, but God KNOWS.

      But yes, Cindy, it is not easy to recover from years of false teaching. I look back over my life and I KNOW the Lord protected and delivered me from so much, even during my agnostic atheist years, and before that, in my name it and claim it years. But, despite having gone up front during altar calls, praying the prayer of salvation, and being baptized, was I not really a Christian then? If I was not, but only thought I was, then that could explain the generational curse I could not get free from, back in those days.

      Today, all I want is the Lord Jesus, the Life, the Truth, and the Way. Not my will, but His be done! Thank You Lord, for Your amazing grace.

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      • I don’t think how you arrived at today, could be stated any better than you just did Linda. I know Cindy will be responding but I just wanted to thank you for sharing as you have. Blessings.

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      • Thank you! I just finished watching the video that you linked to in your reply to Cindy. Very informative. Yes, when I was in my 20s and 30s, my focus was on charismatic preachers, not on Christ. No wonder my life went so far off the rails. I can’t say it enough: Praise God for His amazing mercy, grace and LOVE!

        When I worked for Pat Robertson in the 1980s, he called all of us employees to come to the largest auditorium in the building, where he told us — prior to making it official and announcing it to the world — that the Lord had told him to run for president of the United States. At the end of his announcement, he asked if we had any questions.

        One brave man said: “When God told you to run for president, did He also tell you if you are going to win?”

        I will never forget Pat’s answer. “Well, let me put it this way,” he said. “God does not back losers!”

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      • Linda, Sadly, one of the things that attracts young people to these charismatic churches is the enthusiasm and excitement. A young Christian is easily duped into thinking they’re attending an “on fire” church with people who are serious about serving God. That’s what makes it so detestable. Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me.
        6 “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. 7 Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come!” Matthew 18:3-7 NIV
        Wow!
        How many others have there been (besides you and me) who have stumbled because of these false teachers? I hate to think!
        Like you, I praise the Lord for His great mercy and grace! He brought us out of it, didn’t He! God bless you richly as you continue your work for the Lord!

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  6. “The Holy Spirit never does anything that disagrees with God’s Holy Word.“ This the meat of your message, Bruce. And, as you go on to say, everything we believe pivots off of one truth—God’s.

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  7. The thing truly is, Bruce, you are in error as well. There is no way that you know the inerrant truth, just like everyone else. Are you God?
    But it comes with no surprise—narcissists always believe they are correct.
    Get over it, and be kind to those with different views, or in other words, get over yourself. You are obviously bent on destroying others. All people have their independent views, and your opinion will not likely change them.

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    • Good morning Damon, interesting how you are still able to voice your opinion on my blog but as I just verified, you recently acknowledged in a blog article that you authored on your blog, that you blocked me from voicing my opinion on yours. I have ceased conversing with you, as you requested, but evidently you still give yourself the right to express your opinion and converse with me, when you choose to do so. And, if I read your latest words of enlightenment from the mind of Eckhart Tolle correctly, you still give yourself the right to determine and voice that I am a narcissist and bent on destroying others. No double standard in operation there, is there? You’ve had your say yet once again. We disagree. I don’t answer to you, I answer to Jesus and God’s Word. I chose to try to live in accordance with my limited and imperfect understanding of His Word, while you chose to ignore it. You advise me to get over myself. Duly noted. And if I may be so blunt as to suggest, that is some advice that you might want to entertain following yourself. And, as you have no control over who I pray for, I shall continue to hold you up in prayer to my God, as I frequently do. Take care Damon and may our gracious Lord bless you and yours.

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  8. Yes, I absolutely blocked you. Every piece I wrote was picked apart by you.
    I come to your blog and view it with openness. I suppose I hope for a different view from you when doing so, for after being cut apart by you for a period, and understanding that you are in fact a very damaged person, for unbeknown reasons, who uses a religion to find a means to an end to that pain (instead of working through your psychological situations), I honestly hope to see a change.
    Unfortunately, I don’t see it. Ever.
    Why do you destroy others? Especially those with different views of a book men wrote with inevitable erroneous content. That’s the real question you should ask and reason with. Yet, you spend your life using a few interpretations and call it “correct?” Thanks for your fake blessings towards me.

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    • Damon, Interesting how you once again side step the issue of double standards or you following your own advice to me. Interesting how you can and do articulate differing Biblical perspectives on your acceptance of the Church, the body of true believers in Christ, and how it doesn’t apply to you. Biblical verses that oppose your opinion of the Church, are voiced by you, as being picked apart by me. If you can’t make a Biblical case for your opinion admit it, don’t resort to name calling and other demeaning defensive postures, which as you may recall, you did and I did not. Interesting how you can view the writing of Eckhart Tolle as worthy of consideration but the Bible as “a book that men wrote with inevitable erroneous content”. At the time you and I exchanged our opinions, you were calling yourself a Christian, albeit with your own interpretation of what you personally viewed as correct. Evidently you have the right to hold and voice your opinions, but anyone who doesn’t agree with you obviously does not. What you call “destroying” is actually called defending the faith, a Biblical admonishment that apparently you are not familiar with. And because I value and try to be guided by God’s Holy Word and you apparently do not, I am the one who is not asking or reasoning with the real questions? Different source, different opinions, you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out. The statement about my unknown psychological problems was another nice touch. That is the shift you continuously make when you cannot defend your position from a Biblical perspective, go personal. Notice once again, that was you doing that and not me. So Damon, seriously consider your advice to me and “get over yourself”. Please note that once again, it was YOU that addressed me, on my blog and not me addressing you on yours. I need not remind you that you don’t give me that option. And the “fake blessings” comment, not fake at all Damon, I do frequently lift you up in prayer and I do wish you God’s blessings because like all of us, you could seriously use them. Take care.

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      • The issue of what you call double standards is there only because you say it is. We all have egotistical tendencies. Here I am, trying to break through your tough skin and help you realize some harmful qualities within yourself, out of kindness (through the filter of my own egoic mind, I do realize.). Whatever you say, Bruce. The self-talk and feedback from your entourage seems to be working for you. You take care as well.

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